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Old 03-03-2009, 12:27 PM
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Default Traqmate vs RacePak G2X ?

I'm tempted to buy a datalogger this season, but am on the fence between the Traqmate and the RacePak G2X... Has anyone here tried both? They both seem to have the same features, although RacePak's advertising and website doesn't have a lot of solid details. It looks like the RacePak G2X w/dash does a little more, costs a little less, and can also be found used. What are your thoughts on it?

I'm mostly looking for something that can log track position, accelerometers, and maybe RPM, then download to a laptop at the track and let me compare different laps. I also like the predictive lap feature, which I understand that they both have. Other racers that I'd like to compare data with are using Traqmate, so I'm kind of leaning in that direction, but if I can get the RacePak to export data into an intelligible format like a CSV file, then I should be able to put something together myself to do a comparison (I've already done my own video stuff with Traqmate data, so I know that side of it is easy at least).

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Old 03-03-2009, 02:11 PM
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I just switched from g2x to traqmate so I could trade data with people in class. I can't help much with a comparison of the 2, as I haven't opened my traqmate yet. All of the data loggers log their data in stupid proprietary format, making easy comparison near impossible, so I had to jump ship and go with the majority.

Sorry, probably not much help, other than "I feel your pain".

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Old 03-03-2009, 02:13 PM
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If you already have some friends using a Traqmate that you want to compare data with it's a no brainer ot go with Traqmate.

If you are less concerned with that there are other options.

I'd also look into the SmartyCam from AIM if all you want is track position and acceleromerters. For about 1K it does all that and overlays it on a video.
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Old 03-03-2009, 02:44 PM
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It's all going to eventually come down to your personal preferance and final usage. For me, I wanted a data logger, it needed to be GPS based (no external apperati to leave at some track halfway across the US). And it needed to have a very good in-car dash/display. So I went with the GX2, I have been very happy so far. (Although I know wish that I would have waited, their IQ3 is yet another step up). I Tried a Traqmate in my earlier DE days but I never liked the dash display.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:15 PM
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I've used both and some others...the Traqmate is the best of the "cheap" tier units. It also has the biggest following, which makes it easy to trade data, which is really one of the best selling points. Data doesn't do anything for you if you're just recording it. Comparing it is where you learn and gain time.

The Traqmate display is certainly a little lacking, but the software is WAY better than the G2X offering. Go with the Traqmate. FYI, I'm not affiliate with either one.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:09 AM
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We've bought 3 G2X units and shipped them around the country and they are pretty robust and well made. The display on the G2X is better than the traqmate but like Skeen says, the traqmate software can be easier to use.
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I have the IQ3, next step up for the G2X. I like the outputs and bought it because most of the guys in this area are using the same logging software. Absolutely love the display and on track data. It is now my dashboard and the old 944 gauges are gone. I am not enamored with the software but I'm confident that Mr. Repka will be able to help me this weekend when he comes over to work on our cars.
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Traqmate software is easy to use and easy to share. It is just as much "fun" as it is useful. I have learned the most comparing data from different cars or drivers and seeing trends that separate very fast drivers from those just lapping at a decent pace.

The display unit is NOT intended to be a replacement for your current dash, but can be useful in providing laptimes and predictive lap timing. One thing G2X and AIM do better is a replacement display/dash.

I have yet to see anybody do a decent write-up using G2X software and screenshots. Here are some example write-ups that used Traqmate data:

Finding improvements at Road America and Sebring
Differential review w/ Data
Putnam Park HPDE analysis

(this is a public call-out for you G2X guys to put together something decent!!! Not just numbers, give us some analysis! Convert data into real-world improvement using your G2X. )

In the end, data is just a bunch of numbers. It is the information that you can interpret from that data that you actually use to make a decision or improvement. This requires proper interpretation and analysis skills. You get out of it what you put into it. With any of these systems, you will need some basic aptitude with gadgets, computers and reading charts (not rocket science, just can't be afraid to install software on your laptop or plug in a USB cable, etc).


Some of the common opportunities you can spot with proper data analysis:

1. Coasting. Most people do this between braking and corner turn-in. There is some time lost here, but its better than braking early. Easy to identify, easy to correct, moderate time gains here.

2. Wussy braking. Need to know the vehicles maximum deceleration capabilities before knowing how much of the brakes the driver is using. Diagnosis can be moderately challenging, ease of correction depends on the driver (more difficult without ABS), but the time gains are HUGE! I sometimes find club racers doing this and can usually find them 1-2 seconds in braking alone.

3. Driving line. This goes without saying for most single/simple corners, but for combination corners, some drivers do not sacrifice the entry corners and their final corner is slightly compromised. This can sometimes be worth .5 seconds down the straight-away.

4. Lifting for kinks. Well, some kinks (Road America) may even need brakes, but others can be taken full throttle. For example: Putnam Park turns 3 and 6, many people coast through those when they could be accelerating.

5. Late apex driving. From the data I have seen, I am a firm believer that all cars are momentum cars. HPDE may teach slow-in, fast-out, but that has to be un-learned if you really want to go fast. (More like, fast-in, faster-out!). Late-apex driving is safer and easier.. and I can understand where the instructors sense of self-preservation may allow drivers to continue late apexing. It can still be fun, just not as fast.

6. Throttle modulation. This comes with the fast-in, faster-out approach. The higher speed corners should not be full throttle at apex.. else you came into them too slow!

7. Low corner minimum speeds. This jumps out most obvious when comparing two drivers in the same car. Keep those min speeds up, and you'll be faster.
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Thanks for the replies. It seems like the G2X is a good product and I wouldn't be disappointed in the hardware, but it's software is definitely a downside to it. All signs seem to point to the Traqmate being a better solution for my particular situation, so I'll be looking around for a Traqmate Complete... Does anyone know if you can still find the older TraqData adaptor (the new version is a little silly at $200; I just want RPM for a 944 and an analog input or two)?
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