Week 12 rFactor Challenge - Mid America "The Coucil Bluffs Collision Course" - Page 2

Warpedcow · #11 01-13-2009, 10:13 PM

Watch the attached replay Colin - you braked too early and I was able to get almost completely alongside you. We're both going 50MPH when impact actually occurs which is plenty slow for that turn. I lock up just before contact because I see you're about to turn in and whack me so I panic on the brakes.

Regarding the Lap 9 incident, again, I was not going too fast, the screen shot shows 71MPH which is slower than I'd usually be going at this point on the track. In fact, just watch any of my quick laps through that section - I don't brake into those esses at all, I'm flat on the gas until turn in and then I just coast/slide/downshift to bleed off speed. That is why when the car in front braked substantially in this turn I was caught completely off guard.

Warpedcow · #12 01-13-2009, 10:15 PM

Anyhow, I've made my case, it's just a fricking game after all. The race marshals can dock me time or points if they feel I deserve it, the evidence is certainly available for all to see.

Either way I'm going to be more cautious in the future.

HawkBat · #13 01-13-2009, 10:20 PM

I had a somewhat enjoyable race for a few laps, then had fun racing my shadow. That thing follows me so close!

I need to figure something out my progress has stagnated, and as for the races, pft throw them out the window.

Colin Marklein · #14 01-13-2009, 10:25 PM

Thats fine it is just a game. But the problem I have is that if I braked too early?? Who decides when is too early to brake? I have a different driving style than you. If there is a car in front of you that means you still get to brake where you normally do? It just shows that in your second incident of the day that it doesnt matter if there is an object in the way. Just brake where ya normally do and smash whatever lays in the way outta the way. Oh well. See ya next week.

Warpedcow · #15 01-13-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Colin Marklein

(update) I just watched the replay.. You made contact with me 5 times and the 6th was the final. How about some penalties for rough driving? Lets inforce the rules here.

If the race stewards feel that any of those 6 contacts were intentional, I'm sure they will penalize me as the rules state:
"If a competitor blatantly runs into another competitor they will be banned from racing the next race and be stripped of 16 championship points."

HawkBat · #16 01-13-2009, 10:28 PM

If you want intentional contact just look after S/F once the race was done

Warpedcow · #17 01-13-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Colin Marklein

Thats fine it is just a game. But the problem I have is that if I braked too early?? Who decides when is too early to brake? I have a different driving style than you. If there is a car in front of you that means you still get to brake where you normally do?

Don't act naive, we're both smarter than this. If you brake "early", a competitor will drive alongside you and out-brake you, which is what I did on lap 6 in the final turn (assuming that getting more than 50% alongside you on the inside gives me the apex line - the rules here are vague). I didn't hit you from behind, you turned in to me. It's not my fault you chose to set up for a wider corner entry, exposing the inside. If someone get's inside of you, you can't drive through them to the apex as it isn't yours to have any more.

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Originally Posted by Colin Marklein

It just shows that in your second incident of the day that it doesnt matter if there is an object in the way. Just brake where ya normally do and smash whatever lays in the way outta the way.

I'm not sure why you think my intent was to hit anyone. I didn't expect the car ahead to be braking AT ALL at that part of the track (lap 9, esses). That said, I know they weren't intentionally brake checking me, just as I didn't intend to hit them, as you can see I tried to drive to their left but I cut it about 6 inches too close. And most importantly, I never claimed this incident wasn't my fault, I'm just trying to explain what happened and why it happened.

Grintch · #18 01-14-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike_B

Lesson learned this time:

During a race don't pit until you get the "pit crew is ready" message. Otherwise, they will not service your car unless you go out again and come back in.

Their is a "request pit" command, so you can pit early if the situation makes it desirable.

Mike_B · #19 01-14-2009, 11:11 AM

I watched the replay to see what all the fuss was about. Sorry Warped, but although you were alongside, you were not until almost the apex, certainly not by turn-in. What I've always heard is that the passing racer has to be at least 1/2 car length alongside at turn in, not at apex. It was optimistic of you to try that move IMO.

OTOH, Colin's ranting while the race was going on was at least as offensive as any racing contact. Racing contact is usually made as a snap decision gone wrong. Colin had time to think about it before distracting every driver with chat during the race (which I believe is either against the rules, or at least uniformly, strongly discouraged).

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Originally Posted by Grintch

Their is a "request pit" command, so you can pit early if the situation makes it desirable.

Oh I did that. The problem was that I then changed the fuel. I did that about 2 turns before pitting. Therefore, there was no time for the pit crew to get ready. Ooops. Oh well. I was going to come in no better than 3rd to last anyway. I don't have enough experience (or knowledge) to figure out how to go faster on my own. I can watch other people's replays and see where I could be picking up time, but I didn't have that luxury this time. So I was just driving around doing my 1:50s and 1:51s. I wasn't going to pass anybody unless they spun. Nobody behind me was going to pass me. So it was kind of a forgone conclusion. On top of all that, my wife go laid off yesterday and I'm under a ton of stress right now (no track days this summer). I was gonna blow off the race before it even started, but I decided to try it. When the pit thing happened, I said, "screw it."

Warpedcow · #20 01-14-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike_B

I watched the replay to see what all the fuss was about. Sorry Warped, but although you were alongside, you were not until almost the apex, certainly not by turn-in. What I've always heard is that the passing racer has to be at least 1/2 car length alongside at turn in, not at apex. It was optimistic of you to try that move IMO.

Well, again you have to ask, "who's turn in point"? Especially since the 2nd to last turn is so close to the last turn, a driver could easily shoot straight from one apex to the next without actually turning until the apex - in fact that's what I ended up doing.