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tifosi
02-20-2009, 09:15 AM
Looking to build my own and need some opinions on the following barebones kit from Tiger Direct.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4471626&Sku=B69-0018

What's good and bad with it?

TIA :)

r8man
02-20-2009, 12:56 PM
Looks good except I would recommend a full tower instead of a mid tower.

The AMD can be around the Intel Quad but its not any better. The memory could be faster, I would suggest DDR2 1066 to go along with any processor above a single core. Other than that its a good base computer.

Stack
02-20-2009, 01:08 PM
1st thing that jumps out at me is that it doesn't come with a graphics card or operating system ... which of course aren't necessarily BAD things, it just means that on top that bare-bones price, you'll be spending another 50%-100% (or more) than that on an OS and a graphics card that you can get the most out of.

sbranda
02-20-2009, 03:12 PM
First, one thing to know about Asus is that they make good products at a lower price, but only update things like firmware for a couple years. Usually this isn't a problem, but if you want to keep upgrading this system as long as possible, you should invest in a Gigabyte brand motherboard. Which way to go is more personal preference than anything.

Personally I would stay with a mid tower. There's enough room to make installing things fairly easy, but it's not so huge you have no place to put it. A full tower is nice if you want to have 7 hard disks, but if you don't need the space it will just be a pain in your ass.

The mobo in that deal has onboard graphics, but onboard graphics aren't great. ATI and Nvidia have excellent budget cards out right now for around $75.

The 8gb of memory is a waste. If you want to play games on it, presumably rFactor, then you'll want to run 32-bit windows. That limits you to using 3 GB of memory. If you use Windows XP instead of Vista (and you should) 2 GB of memory will be plenty.

For my money I would put together something like the following from newegg.

ASUS V2-M3N8200 AMD Socket AM2+ / AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8200 Black Barebone

$144.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500410AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

$64.99

SAPPHIRE 100255HDMI Radeon HD 4670 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

$75.99

Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model KVR800D2K2/2GR

$22.99

AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor Model HD960ZWCGDBOX

$95.99

Subtotal: $404.95
Shipping: $23.18 (depends where you live)

tifosi
02-20-2009, 04:55 PM
Thanks for the info guys. The OS is not an issue as I have a free Vista 32 or 64 bit license from testing Vista. My son is running rFactor on a 64 bit Acer. Does 64 bit just revert to a 32 bit mode when running a 32 bit program and make no difference?

sbranda
02-20-2009, 05:22 PM
For most games it won't make a difference, especially if the program says it supports 64-bit windows. This means the developer has tested it and confirms it works on 64-bit windows even though it is probably 32-bit. If the 32-bit game has not been tested on 64-bit windows, it will work fine most of the time, but there will be some games (usually older games) that will fail to work.

If you plan to run 64-bit vista, the 8GB of memory might not be a bad idea ;)

tifosi
02-20-2009, 07:09 PM
I figured I'd give Vista 64 bit a shot until Windows 7 SP1 comes out! :D

HawkBat
02-20-2009, 07:52 PM
Ok Tifosi, you opened up a can of worms with me. I am going to suggest for you one thing.... MORE! More Power and more well power.

One problem you might have with mid-tower is cooling. Wires can constrict airflow in a midtower. I run a Antec full tower and love it.

I will detail this more, but when you build your computer think logegivty and what you are going to use it for.

My next build is going to a massive upgrade in power and processing.

I will come up with my suggestion list soon.

f2000keith
02-21-2009, 11:13 AM
I'm holding out until rFactor2 comes out to build a new box.

tifosi
02-21-2009, 11:30 AM
I'm holding out until rFactor2 comes out to build a new box.

Any timeframe for that KC?

f2000keith
02-21-2009, 12:53 PM
Not sure yet. They're keeping it under wraps, but it IS under development. I would guess 6-12 months.

Warpedcow
02-22-2009, 08:45 AM
Agree with much that has been said. I've built computers since before college, usually ordering parts through Newegg, as Steve recommends as well.

Just a few things to add:
Definitely get a dedicated video card.
I would suggest full tower, more room to work is always a plus. A cramped case is a PITA.
I run 64-bit Windows Server 2008 and have no trouble running any games. Vista 64-bit these days should be similarly trouble-free. Get at least 4GB of RAM. IMHO don't bother with 32-bit anything.
Consider doing RAID1, losing data to disk failure sucks, and it's pretty cheap to get RAID1 these days.

HawkBat
02-22-2009, 08:13 PM
I haven't heard of any updates or time frame on RF2. I just know there is a big group of games that are going to come coming out that I want to play. Can't wait for StarCraft 2.

HawkBat
02-24-2009, 06:50 PM
I haven't had time to go through my list but I have a feeling my upgrade is approaching also. I agree with everything warpedcow listed. I am also a user of Newegg. I prefer them over tiger direct.

Raid 1 is a good idea for having a backup and stuff. I am a crazy person and use Raid 0.

sbranda
02-25-2009, 01:25 PM
Agree with much that has been said.
I would suggest full tower, more room to work is always a plus. A cramped case is a PITA.


How much room do you need? "Full Tower" cases have around 7 x 5.25" external bays, 7 x 3.5" bays, room for 7-10 expansion cards...etc. Maybe you're thinking of a larger Mid tower.

Don't buy a full tower just to put 2 hard drives, a graphics card and a DVD-Drive in it. Buy an appropriately sized case with the motherboard already installed if you want to make your life easy.

Warpedcow
02-25-2009, 01:33 PM
I guess the cramped thing I encounter is caused by having a case that isn't long enough rather than not being tall enough. Having hard drives right up against the end of your expansion cards, and having RAM buried underneath them as well just isn't fun. Having more room also means more flexibility in where you can put the internal cabling usually which can give you better airflow and cooling.

That said, a well designed case is what's really important, rather than just getting a "big" one.

tifosi
02-25-2009, 04:38 PM
Any recommendations for a well designed case? Do NOT want lime green, clear side panel or skulls.

Warpedcow
02-25-2009, 04:41 PM
My favorite case is a Lian Li. Antec makes good ones too, but avoid the ones where the power supply is on the bottom of the case rather than the top - these are VERY cramped by this design (ask me how I know :stupid:)

HawkBat
02-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Ok yes you are correct, It is a large mid tower. I have a Antec P180B. I like it a lot. Power supply is on the bottom and has its own wind tunnel type design plus it makes it so much more quiet.

Warpedcow
02-25-2009, 04:51 PM
Ok yes you are correct, It is a large mid tower. I have a Antec P180B. I like it a lot. Power supply is on the bottom and has its own wind tunnel type design plus it makes it so much more quiet.

I don't really like my P180 because the power supply I put in it is so long (1000W) that it barely fits and the cabling down there is very cramped.